Meditation

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Post by richard » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:38 pm

I've used the Silva Method for many years. I highly recommend the tapes by Robert Stone, that's how I learned

link to the tapes from Nightingale-Conant

Before Silva I had done self-hypnosis since I was 13. Silva is more fun and I still sometimes practice it to this day.

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Post by William » Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:43 am

This is a website that provides some balance to the enticing claims made on the TM website...

http://unstress4less.org/

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Post by Turbowagon » Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:28 pm

Thank you, William. Something didn't seem quite right about their website. Scary stuff! I have the Silva CD's mentioned above. I'm going to try that and see how it works. The Centerpointe method sounds quite interesting as well. Thanks again, all!

Regards,
eD

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Post by Turbowagon » Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:16 pm

Hmm, I wonder if Centerpointe's Holo-sync is the same as the Hemi-Sync science?

Moritz,
I looked at the Hemi-sync material on the their website. There are so many products available. With which CD's do you have experience? Have they been successful?

Regards,
eD

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Post by FuturesTrader71 » Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:03 pm

turbowagon wrote:Thank you, William. Something didn't seem quite right about their website. Scary stuff! I have the Silva CD's mentioned above. I'm going to try that and see how it works. The Centerpointe method sounds quite interesting as well. Thanks again, all!

Regards,
eD
What was scary about it? I'm not a promoter or beneficiary of the TM movement other than the fact that I practice TM and benefit from it. You are getting caught up in the rhetoric and politics of TM. Who cares?

My suggestion to you is to try what rings true to you. If it works and gives you the overall effect that you seek, then use it. This is what is right for you. If the CD's work, then listen away. But keep an open mind. There is a skeptic in every venue, method or walk of life. Just listen to your heart and do what seems right and what you can practice consistently. If a half a bottle of sherry will do it for you every night, then so be it. Just pay attention to what your body, heart and mind are telling you.

TM, like many other forms of meditation, is an incredible outlet for stress and an amazing way to gain objectivity and focus as well as sharpness of the mind. You might consider Yogananda's (http://www.yogananda-srf.org/py-life/) method or someone else. I don't subscribe to any organization or movement, my comment is purely based on my personal experience and those of others around me with TM.

By the way, if you have some spare time, you might want to read about Paramahansa Yogananda in his book named Autobiography of a Yogi. Great spiritual reading. That's quite an endorsement coming from a guy who is very scientific and calculating in thought.... :lol:

I hope you find what you are looking for.

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Post by Bondtrader » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:20 pm

After reading this thread I got curious so I surfed around. Found that "Hemi Sync" CD's were only $19.99 from Silverlake music so I ordered two. Then, ten minutes later, I discovered that the Monroe Institute is selling all of its Metamusic line of "Hemi Sync" CD's for $9.99 and if you buy 3, the 4th one is free. Geez! Wish I had found these two websites in the opposite order, since the two CDs I happened to pick out were among the ones on sale at Monroe.

This is not an endorsement of Hemi-Sync or the CD's anybody sells. I haven't received the ones I ordered so I have no idea whether I'll love em, hate em, or feel indifferent.

However, I love a bargain. In case other Forum members do too, I hope my little discovery saves you some money. Use google to find the URLs.

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Post by Moritz Mechanicus » Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:12 am

turbowagon wrote:Hmm, I wonder if Centerpointe's Holo-sync is the same as the Hemi-Sync science?

Moritz,
I looked at the Hemi-sync material on the their website. There are so many products available. With which CD's do you have experience? Have they been successful?

Regards,
eD
Hi eD (and all others too, of course!),

let me begin by writing that I am both user (since many years) and dealer (since one year) of Hemi-Sync, so my opinion is biased. Please keep this in mind when you read this posting. And just as there are many valid systems for trading, each based on personal preferences and needs, there are many equally valid systems for relaxation and for personal growth. Look for a system that suits your personality best. There are many truths and this is just my personal opinion and not an endorsing of one system over the other.

There are many parallels between the Hemi-Sync and Holosync (Centerpointe) technology, in essence they use the same technique of the “bin-aural beatâ€

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Post by kianti » Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:06 pm

I tried Holosync a few times and I was not impressed; but this is just my personal experience. The best I experienced so far is a proper session of Yoga Nidra (Yogic Sleep) after one hour and half of Ashtanga Yoga.

I feel that CDs for meditation are what Prozac or Viagra are for depression and sexuality, just a quick fix; again this is just a personal feeling.

best regards, as ever

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Post by Moritz Mechanicus » Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:08 pm

kianti wrote:I tried Holosync a few times and I was not impressed; but this is just my personal experience.
Kianti,

just as with yoga, it takes more than a few times to fully experience the benefits of these technologies and, again as with yoga, some people are more receptive to it than others. Prozac may be a quick fix but it has worked wonders for a friend of me, and I am sure Viagra does the same for many other people. We are all different personalities.

best regards,
Moritz

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Post by RKM » Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:59 pm

I study Vipassana meditation. http://www.dhamma.org/

As with any good system, it takes time.


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the Stillness of the Moment

Post by TradeWynds » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:51 pm

I've taught meditation for over 30 years. I find the
following method works for me . . . and has a tradition
tracing back 3,000 years.

Being With Your Breath
and the Stillness of the Moment

The cherry blossoms having fallen,
Enjoji Temple
Is quiet once more.

- Onitsura


Meditating is a simple, natural way to revitalize every cell in your
body.

All that’s required is a place to sit undisturbed for 10-20 minutes,
once or twice a day.

You could meditate on the bus on the way to and from work but a better
place would be where it’s quiet.

Find a comfortable chair or cushion to sit on.

Sit comfortably.

Close your eyes and observe the natural flow of your mind . . .
thoughts of what you’re going to be doing that day . . . daydreams and
mind wanderings.

Now bring your attention to your breath. Breathe through your nose and
begin to observe your breath as you breathe in and breathe out.

Observe whatever your breath is doing. When you notice that you are
absorbed in your thoughts, bring your attention back to your breath in
a natural, easy way.

Your attention is moving inward.

The center of your meditation is the breath . . .

Without any effort, your breath will become finer and finer. Your body
will be deeper in rest. And your mind will awaken to the finest texture
of your breath. Awaken to the sound of your breath . . . to the
moisture of your breath.

Thoughts will come and go like clouds passing in the sky.

Bring your attention back to your breath.

Sit in the stillness of the moment.

Your body is in a state of deep rest, and your mind is awakening.

Softening . . . relaxing . . . focusing.

Just like when you’re reading a book at your favorite cafe, you’ll
sometimes be aware of your surroundings and sometimes will be
absorbed . . . lost in another story.

In meditation, you’ll sometimes be aware of a horn honking, a bird
chirping, or a child laughing. And sometimes you’ll be completely
absorbed in the joy of settling into a state of pure clarity . . .
experiencing the gap between your breath moving inward and moving
outward.

Pure awareness.

You could use a timer or your intuition to let you know when 10-20
minutes is up.

Before opening your eyes, let your attention flow from your breath to
your thoughts and outer surroundings. Sit or lie down for a few minutes
before opening your eyes. Then open your eyes and stretch before
getting up.

If you fall asleep . . .

If you fall asleep while meditating, that’s a good sign that you are
experiencing deeper relaxation and your body needs sleep. If you feel
like taking a nap after meditating, take a nap.

As your body returns to a natural balance, you’ll feel more energy and
more relaxation throughout the day as you continue to meditate.

The best times to meditate are before breakfast and dinner.

You should sit to meditate but, if you aren’t feeling well meditate
lying down.

As good as you might feel, you shouldn’t meditate longer than 30
minutes twice a day. As you continue to meditate, that good feeling
will become part of the fabric of your daily experience.

Your nervous system will begin to reflect a new state of restfulness
and alertness. You’ll begin to feel both more relaxed and more alert in
everything you do.

From the silence of your being . . . your mind and body will begin to
radiate with clarity and health.

Enjoy

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Post by AFJ Garner » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:33 am

Trade Wynds

After 30 years of teaching and practice what stage have you reached?

I recently read a Jack Kornfield book and suspect that sadly he, for instance, has not attained the ultimate goal. His work The Path of Heart does not reflect an equanimity in the writer. I would be fascinated to meet someone who has. Has the Karmapa (16th or 17th)? The Dalai Lama? Has anyone?

I was reading Andrew Harvey's book A Celebration of Rumi over the holidays and was fascinated........by near the end of the book I was finding the sexuality of his interpretation of Rumis's poetry a little........disturbing perhaps. But then much of Christian mystic imagery also seems to contain an element of repressed sexuality. This was the first time I had come accross Harvey's writings.

I was lead therefore to do a little research over the internet and was sadenned to discover that far from achieving union with the divine, poor old Harvey seems a muddled and all too human figure with feet definitely made of clay.

My enquiry, my musing is serious - I am not being sarcastic, negative, rude, destructive. I have always had a fascination with mysticism and the metaphysical.

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Re: Meditation

Post by tobbe » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:30 pm

AFJ Garner wrote:I recently read a Jack Kornfield book and suspect that sadly he, for instance, has not attained the ultimate goal. His work The Path of Heart does not reflect an equanimity in the writer. I would be fascinated to meet someone who has. Has the Karmapa (16th or 17th)? The Dalai Lama? Has anyone?
If you indeed do meet someone who has, how would you know?

cheers,
tobbe

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